Israel airstrike kills top Hamas commander

george santos Monday, 19 November 2012 9:43 AM - uae

Israeli PR methods: 1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it 2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb 3. Ok we killed them, but they were terrorists 4. Ok they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields 5. Ok there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose 6. Ok we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are! 7. Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite? 8. Repeat from step 1 (Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.)

keenobzerver Monday, 19 November 2012 1:15 PM - UK

@george santos

Surprisingly very true !

RaOne Sunday, 18 November 2012 12:01 PM - UAE

It is okay for Rebels in Syria, Libya to take Arms but when it comes to Palestinians, the commentary is that they should become Gandhi, and take non-volience route.

The west who is so eager to arm the Syrian/Libyan Rebels, cannot even lift the economic blockades on Gaza?

Hamas is a true Palestinian strugglers, they are justified in seeking arms to end the occupation, and daily expansion of settlers in occupied territories. The west is trying to blacken this movement which is just, for & only cause of Palestinians.

Why the world is silent and cannot stop the continuous occupation, instead of lecturing Hamas/Palestinians? First show you have the right intent/might to stop the settlement expansion.

worrybeads Sunday, 18 November 2012 3:57 PM - UK

@RaOne, please do a search on UN resolutions on Israel and see how many have been met? You then realize that the Palestinians are on their own. The truth is, no Government really cares, individuals do, but that is it. Unfortunately all the people that see the unjust situation of Palestine/Israel, remain more divided and uncoordinated than ever.

worrybeads Saturday, 17 November 2012 4:22 PM - UK

@all can one of you explain to me what is the difference between Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto of second world war? Don't you see the words you are using are exactly what the Nazi's used for putting down the Jewish uprising of Warsaw Ghetto? So just because there is an occupier who is militarily superior , does that justify no action ? Do you guys know why there has never been a UN security council resolution against Israel's war crimes, because USA Veto it. There is an outstanding UN resolution on Israel to return to its borders of 1948, which no one talks about! Here is an extract from the UN ; "The United Nations General Assembly has adopted a number of resolutions saying that the strategic relationship with the United States encourages Israel to pursue aggressive and expansionist policies and practices.[3] The 9th Emergency Session of the General Assembly was convened at the request of the Security Council when the United States blocked efforts to adopt sanctions against Israel.[4] "

keenobzerver Monday, 19 November 2012 1:16 PM - UK

Well said @worrybeads.

@Rednrosy, the palestinians, and all of the arab countries of the middle east and north africa have offered Israel peace, full recognition, economic and trade ties, etc This is known as the Saudi Peace Initiative a few years ago. In return they only requested Israel to withdraw from occupied lands and colonies to the UN approved borders of 1967 (much less land for palestinians than the UN mandated borders of 1948).
When this offer was ignored by israel leadership, the arabs ran full page newpaper ads detailing their peace offer directly to the Israeli public.
The palestinians are desparate and have very limited options.
An alternative solution would be for Israel to fully annex all palestinian lands, and grant them full citizenship, passports, access to water, electricity, healthcare, education, and the right to use road networks designated for "Israelis Only". This would put an end to palestinian suffering, and improve israels image as a pariah aparthied state.

worrybeads Sunday, 18 November 2012 3:38 PM - UK

@Procan , glad that you have managed to describe Gaza as the 21st Century equivalent of the Nazi Ghettos, because everything you said exists in Gaza today, the yellow patch is the ID card, no one can get in or out of Gaza without going through checkpoints controlled by the Israel and yes the population is decreasing daily too. Last but not least Phosphorus shells "cremate" indiscriminately.

rednrosy Sunday, 18 November 2012 10:18 AM - germany

@worrybeads
To quote someone.."doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is insanity.

The Palestinians do have a right and they should get it, however what Hamas is doing is the same as insanity, so once again there is retaliation, lives lost, economy ruined..It is as if they want to keep the people in poverty. I do not know who Hamas is supposed to represent.

If the will of the people is to have freedom and lands back, then pershaps they should try a different tactic. This one has proven time and again to be an utter failure.

procan Sunday, 18 November 2012 10:17 AM - canada

@ worrybeads... crematorium's for one, by the way it was a gated community no one got out. No face covers, just sew on yellow patch to identify the Jews
.Oh yea the population decreased daily.

Abdul hafeez Sheikh Thursday, 15 November 2012 4:29 PM - Pakistan Islamabad

The peace need co-existence and tolerance which is lacking in Israel , They can not survive on the basis of military supremacy . I propose to Israeli leaders to read the history and learn some lessons of co existence, otherwise their coming generation may not forgive them

rednrosy Saturday, 17 November 2012 12:13 PM - germany

@pal I learned from an early age that if I keep banging my head against a brick wall, I will not damage the wall but just my head.

If Hamas really wanted success then they should take another approach. The biggest victims in this are the Palastinian people.
So I am confused with what Hamas are trying to achieve with these tactics.

Pal Friday, 16 November 2012 11:14 PM - Jordan

@Doug; it is not that's all, it is about occupation, stealing land, oppression and un justice

Doug Thursday, 15 November 2012 6:13 PM - UAE

It works both ways - Hamas explicitly says it won't tolerate the presence of Israel full stop under any circumstances. That doesn't excuse Israel's actions but it's no good calling for one side to support co-existence and tolerance when the other side officially has no interest in either. Hamas is about as tolerant and and peaceful as the Israeli government, it's just that Israel has bigger friends and bigger guns, that's all.