Qatar races to develop solar stadium cooling

Poz

A technology to cool 800 thousand cubic meters is, anyway, an expensive technology!!

Let?s hope they will use renewable energy to do it!!

Telcoguy

@Qatari, if I am wrong it should not be hard work to prove. Certainly much less work than running for 90 minutes at 45-50 degrees, 75% humidity

Monkey Tennis

1994 US - the yanks don't understand football, it'll be a disaster, they don't deserve it, they'll want bigger goals and no draws, they'll insist on playing quarters to suit US TV etc, etc... Average attendance per game 69,000; tournament acknowledged as a major success.
2002 - Japan/Korea - Asians can't play football, they don't deserve it, they all support Man U anyway and know nothing about the game, it's too hot and humid in the summer, no-one wants to travel between two countries etc..etc... Both hosts put in credible performances leading to more Asian footballers in major leagues and a new found respect for SE Asian football. Tournament a success.
2010 - South Africa - you must be joking, it isn't safe, no-one will travel there, FIFA need their heads examining; if supporters can't travel in safety they don't deserve the world cup. Tournament a success, minimal trouble.

It goes with the territory. Good luck Qatar in solving your particular challenges.

Monkey Tennis

"If the small guys are to be given a chance - which is the spirit of these large sporting events". Nice if it was true but I fear the Corinthian spirit is long dead in world football. As for that dangerous path, we're already long past the point of no return - the small guys have no chance anymore; the cost of staging an event of this kind is mind-blowing regardless of the sponsorship money involved; the list of nations capable of doing this in the modern era is small indeed. Putting aside the money factor, this is a region with a large number of players, some very passionate supporters and increasingly some very high quality players - it has never been anything but 6-7 hours flying time away from the nearest World Cup; awarding it once out of the first 22 held is hardly preferential treatment. Finally, as someone who watched football in the 70s and 80s in the UK, I'd be more than happy with an alcohol ban.

Billy

Oh dear you are going down a very dangerous path if you are suggesting that because Middle East companies own European football teams they should be given preferential treatment in their footballing aspirations. If you follow that road of giving benefits to those areas that most influence football then the Middle East has no chance......European football and perhaps South America are by far the most influential in the world so if you follow your argument - which I think is a disastrous route - the world cup would never be outside the major European/S American cities. If the small guys are to be given a chance - which is the spirit of these large sporting events, they should be judged on their individual merit. Qatar won with a bid for a summer event and that is what they should stage. If they claimed they had the technology to make it possible then that is what they have to provide. Full stop.

kingkaiser

Doug, this may be a good thing for Qatar, and lead to a lot more openness and increasing liberal views. All this money wasn't spent to have people show up and kick a ball around; it was to create some prominence on the international stage, and potentially increase foreign investment and tourist inflows.

Consequently, I imagine that Qatar will have to relax its attitude towards alcohol, since otherwise this will be the last event they host, and will have spent billions just to have everyone talk about what a boring venue it was. Secondly, they will also have to relax attitudes towards unmarried people sharing rooms; again, spending billions only to have negative publicity when 30% of the tourists are arrested (for something very normal globally) isnt in their best interests.

Telcoguy

@MT, other world cups have been close to disaster. Italy in fact barely avoided it. And in the rush to finish the works there were some 50, I think, dead workers. That of course may be less of a concern here
But the differences are:
-Qatar needs to build the whole infrastructure from scratch. That is expensive (they should be able to handle) and complex (Doha airport is not a good precedent). This would be less of an issue in the UAE, but the UAE has wisely (I think) decided they do not want to waste several billion dollars on this
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Telcoguy

(contd)
You also mention switching to winter. Do you realize that a switch would impact at least the years before and after? I do not know where you get that the National Leagues would support that, I keep hearing the opposite

One of the big differences I think is that this time FIFA may have gone too far and the National Leagues may grab the opportunity to set up their own championship

Yes all of these challenges could be fixed, mostly with money, plenty of it, and letting the hired guns do their job with minimal interference. I somehow do not see that part happening

You talk about optimism, well that wave of optimism was actually riding on a wave of cheap credit. It has much less to do with sociology than with global financial conditions

Finally, I have no issue with Qatar organizing this. I am just pointing the facts. I will actually be quite happy to see Qatar building all the infrastructure for the Cup as it will bring a much needed competition to Dubai as a regional hub

Monkey Tennis

Doug - my point is that many previous World Cups have overcome problems and my guess is so will this one, although it may seem insurmountable to many. I like to support anyone with ambition who takes on a challenge. Inherent in that is the possibility of failure. I love the optimism of this region; when Londoners were moaning that the Olympics were going to be a logistics disaster, Emirati and Qatari colleagues of mine told me they were confident it would be a huge success. They want to see things happen. I like that. If I were a betting man, which I am not, I'd put money on the fact the WC will go ahead, it will occur in the Winter months and the switch will be supported by every major European league and broadcasting network. The Middle East is a major player in football financing now and together with Russia simply cannot be ignored any longer - Real Madrid, Barcleona, Malaga, PSG, Man City.... Let's be supportive of the latest members of football's global family.

Doug

Yes but none of these criticisms suggested these countries were physically incapable of hosting the World Cup. The debate here is whether Qatar can actually do it. Whether or not 50C happens is irrelevant. The fact is that an AVERAGE temperature of 41C is completely unsuitable for a 90 minute game of football - I think most teams and players would balk at the idea of playing in a MAXIMUM heat of 35C.

And this is before we've got to the other issues of crowd management in these temperatures, the problem of the requirement to serve alcohol, people sharing rooms with people they're not married to.....

Soccer on the sun

Cooling the stadiums is a much smaller issue to deal with the heat I feel than how to keep the tens of thousands of fans and support staff cool when not in the air conditioned stadium!
All these people will be risking heat and sunstroke by the thousands when waiting outside for transportation, waiting outside to get in the stadium, working as support for the event, etc.
I live in Qatar for 9 years and in June it is unbearably hot outside!As Telcoguy states, 41c is in the shade. There will be thousands of people in the direct sunlight experiencing temperatures up to 50c!

Telcoguy

@whoare you fooling, actually playing at night would work better for Europeans (night can be defined at 20H here) it would be much worst for Asian fans
That of course does nothing to fix the real issues

Dubai Resident

@ Qatari - another glib comment
You may live chilled air comfort but it is still 35 degrees + at night and the humidity is over 75 as you well know. Try running around in that for 10 minutes, let alone 90 minutes.

moonboy

Up to and beyond 50c, i have experienced 55c.
More shabby half reporting from Reuters and Arabian Business.
up to 40c? has no body from Reuters or AB ever been in Qatar in July?

procan

Please correct me but are not the temperatures in the plus 50c in the summer? The race for technology to cool Qatar stadiums is not in Qatar . Wesern technology is are doing the work ,Qatar is simply paying the Bill.

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